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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2004, 12:04:51 PM »

Yep, I got my order in for the audio version of Learning to Sing and also ordered another copy of Solitaire!  shock:  Laughing:
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2004, 06:10:54 AM »

I believe its actually an audio cassette, not cd.
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2004, 10:10:54 AM »

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I believe its actually an audio cassette, not cd.


Actually there are 3 versions being sold on Amazon at the present time
There is a hardcover version, an audio CD  and an audio cassette. It
says in the description that Clay is reading the audio versions.
I can hardly wait.
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2004, 06:26:23 PM »

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY GOSH I have to get me a Cd of the book. Has the John Torres book came out yet????
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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2004, 06:58:19 PM »

Just in case no one has noticed (I know I didn't at first), both of the audio versions are abridged.

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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2004, 08:17:04 PM »

Here is some info on the John Torres book.

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Clay Aiken by Torres, John / Torres, John Albert
Binding: LIBRARY
Series Product: Blue Banner Biographies
Series LC: A blue banner biography
Review Source
Library Subjects: Aiken, Clay,; 1978-; Juvenile literature.; Singers; United States; Biography; Juvenile literature.
General Subjects: Juvenile Grades 7-9 Ages 12-14 BISAC Subjects: Juvenile Nonfiction / Biography & Autobiography / Music
ISBN: 1584153164
List Price: 16.95 (USD)
Estimated Discount Price: 14.92 (USD)
Pub Status: NOT YET PUBLISHED
L.C. Class: ML3930.A38


I heard it was already sold out, but this says it hasn't been released yet.
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2004, 07:39:41 AM »

ClayObsessed:

Thank you so much for clearing up the audio/cd book thing.  I thought there was only an audio cassette version but I changed my order - I would much rather have the audio cd - plus its only $15 something, compared to over $21.  Thanks!!
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2004, 12:48:36 PM »

Just passing this along since I hadn't seen it posted anywhere else on this site.  Found it on the Clayboard.  Great news!!

From a poster at The Clackhouse:


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Hey sometimes it's good to have a few connections. I was working my back channel with the library publicist for Random House about Clay's book and she did get back to me and OMG the boy is going to do a book tour. So here's the little info I have and you heard it here first so Clay is going to be very busy in the late fall promoting his book.


CLAY'S UPCOMING BOOK TOUR
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The book has a print run of 350,000 and he will be doing an extensive tour. I believe the tour cities have already been decided with Las Vegas and Scottsdale being those closest to you.


The publicist is going to pass my name onto the events coordinator so I'll be in the loop for any further info. I did let her know that I can pass along to her all the Clay internet boards and we are a great resource to use to help promote Clay's book. Random House is the big time when it comes to doing author tours and they are the only major publisher that actively works to partner with libraries so they pay attention when a librarian contacts them and asks about an author. I'll see if I can find out more of the book tour cities nicely without nagging because I want to keep my goodwill with the publicist.
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2004, 04:22:09 PM »

Even tho I am not going to be able to go out and see Clay as he promotes
his book, I found myself jumping up and down in my chair (I almost fell
off) and clapping my hands.  I am so excited for him and I assume some
of those book promotions will be on TV shows, so I will get to see him
that way.
Thank you Clayton Claniac.  You made my day!!!
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2004, 08:45:08 PM »

ok ok ok...all this book talk!i love it! when people get excited about reading, i get excited in general. (i'm a big pro-litteracy person). So, now that my order is added to list, all i have to do is sit back and wait!! thanks for all the information!
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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2004, 07:04:19 AM »

About "Learning To Sing" - I emailed Amazon to ask if Clay would actually be reading the audio copies of his book, but I did not receive an answer (I pre-ordered the book weeks ago, but would order an audio if Clay is actually reading - as someone else said, I'd pay to hear him read the phone book).  Authors do not always read the audios of their books.
About |Clay's biography: I pre-ordered mine on May 5. It was supposed to be shipped on July 6, then shipping date was changed to July 21. I inquired about this, also. Amazon did get back to me this week and told me that the book has not been released, and that they have not been given a release date. They just said mine would be sent whenever it is released.
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2004, 08:31:50 AM »

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The following is a copy of what I found at Amazon. If you look at the word
Reader, it is next to Clay's name.  That is why I assumed he is reading it.

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Learning to Sing by Clay Aiken (Reader), Allison Glock (Audio CD - November 2004)
Books: See all 70,240 items (Rate this item)  
Buy new: $15.37   Not yet released.
   

The following is a copy of what I found at Barnes&Noble.
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 Learning to Sing: Hearing the Music in Your Life
Clay Aiken, Allison Glock

Compact Disc - Abridged, 3 CDs, 3 hours, November 2, 2004
 
  List Price:   $21.95
 Our Price:   $17.56  (Save 20%)
 Barnes & Noble Member Price:  $16.68

This is where I got the idea that the audio versions were abridged.

Hope this helps you as well as others to decide if they want to take the
risk of buying the audio on the basis of Clay doing the reading.

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2004, 04:56:20 PM »

I am also anxious to read Clay's book!  I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the biographical book on Clay by John Torres?  I would like to order it but am not sure if this is a book Clay has approved and will benefit from?  Does anyone know?

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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2004, 08:56:29 PM »

Your local library needs to have both the biography and Clay's inspirational memoir coming out this fall.  

If you are so inclined, please call your local library and inquire about these books.  Ask them if the books are on order.  If not, ask them if they will order the books.  Here is the information:

Clay Aiken, a Blue Banner Biography by John Torres (Mitchell Lane Publishers ISBN: 1584153164)
Learning to Sing: Hearing the Music in Your Life by Clay Aiken with Allison Glock (Random House ISBN: 1400063922)

If they do have the books on order, ask to be put on a waiting list for them for when they come in.  If they haven't planned on ordering the books, they may consider it if they get enough inquiries.

Lots of people are not able to afford to buy books. However, having them available in public libraries will insure that everyone will have the opportunity to read them.

An alternate suggestion - if you are able to purchase an extra copy, please do so and donate it to your local public library.

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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2004, 07:51:02 AM »

I pre ordered mine, I found books a million to be the cheapest.
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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2004, 05:00:45 AM »

Q&A With a Publisher

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Our guest interview is with a senior editor at a major publishing house. This person is knowledgeable in all facets of the publishing industry and has agreed to be interviewed for CNN in an effort to educate Clay's fans on how the publishing industry works, how booksales are recorded, and ways to "buy smart" so that our book purchases will do the most good for Clay in terms of sales, Bestseller lists and industry buzz. Feel free to send followup questions to cnn@claynationnews.com and we will do our best to get an answer from the publisher.

A Publishing Primer, or, EEEEEEEEEEE! Clay Aiken has a book out!

Q: Does it matter when I buy Clay’s book? I can’t wait!

A: Yes, it’s very important to buy LEARNING TO SING in the first two weeks (but not before the book is officially on sale) if we want the book to hit the New York Times bestseller list, which is widely considered the most important bestseller list in publishing. But remember: don’t buy it before the official on-sale date (Ed. Note: right now this looks like November 16), because sales before that date may not count towards first week sales. LEARNING TO SING should have a strict on-sale date, but many non-traditional outlets (i.e. wholesale clubs, supermarkets, Walmart, Kmart, Target) are known for putting books out early before their on-sale dates. In general, bookstores are better at enforcing dates, and some online retailers like bn.com and Amazon.com count sales for the first week even if it ships to you before the on-sale date.

Pre-ordering (both online and at bookstores) is also important because it lets both the outlet and the publisher know what kind of demand there is, and this can affect the number of copies printed and shipped. The more copies shipped, the bigger the buzz, but also the higher the expectations and the bigger the risks. For bigger books, Amazon will also order directly from the publisher rather than a distributor--something they don’t do with every book. There are rumors that the print run for LEARNING TO SING is around 200,000 copies, which is a very substantial number for a hardcover book. Publishers can also go back to press on books if sales outpace anticipated demand, and that is a Good Thing.

Q: Does it matter where I buy Clay’s book? I think it may be cheaper online or at Sam’s Club.

A: For the purpose of making the New York Times bestseller list, during the first two weeks of the book's release, please try to buy a copy at a store that reports to the Times list. Stores that are known to report to the Times include Barnes & Noble, Borders, Waldens, Books-a-Million, Walmart, Amazon.com, and Sam’s Club. Hastings and W.H. Smith also report to the Times, along with other stores (including many independent, non-chain bookstores), but there isn’t a comprehensive list of reporting retailers.

Most Christian bookstores do NOT report to the Times, and neither does BJ’s Club. I don’t believe Costco does either.

But this is purely about making sure the book hits the New York Times list, which is only one factor in a book’s overall success (although an important one). It is important to focus on the New York Times list for the first two weeks, because the publishing industry uses it as one barometer for the overall success of a book. However, it is also essential that Clay's book sells well at all the outlets carrying it, because a store that isn’t selling the book fast enough will likely return it to the publisher, and returns are a Very Bad Thing.

Q: So are bestseller lists the only way to gauge how well Clay’s book is doing? And is the New York Times list the only list out there?

A: There are lists other than the New York Times bestseller list--for example, most major newspapers have their own lists that reflect what’s selling well in the area (San Francisco Chronicle, Washington Post, Dallas Morning News, Denver Post, etc. all have their own lists). The Wall St. Journal has its own list, Publishers Weekly (the industry magazine) has its own widely respected list (I believe Entertainment Weekly bases it’s bestseller list on the Publishers Weekly one), and USA Today has an extensive Top 150 bestseller list which combines books of all formats and genres into one list that reflects actual cash register sales. The USA Today Top 50 list is printed every Thursday in the print edition--the online edition will have the Top 150.

Many retailers also keep their own bestseller lists, such as B & N, Waldens, Borders, etc., and the CBA (Christian book market) also has bestseller lists for their stores. Each list has a different method for determining the books that hit their lists, and all these lists are important, but traditionally the New York Times list has been the most prestigious and the most widely quoted, and hitting the Times bestseller list is one major standard for evaluating a book’s success.

One thing that isn’t necessarily reflective of how a book is actually doing is the bestseller placement in stores like Walmart, Target, Kmart, etc. Although the slots say #1 or #2 or #15, these positions are bought by the publisher, and are indications of publisher support rather than cash register sales.

Of course nothing is as important as cash register sales, and publishers have access to BookScan, which is to the book industry what SoundScan is for the record industry. BookScan tracks every book sold at many major retail outlets that sell books. It’s important to remember that BookScan does not include every retail outlet--it leaves out important outlets such as Walmart, Sam’s, BJ’s, and Virgin Megastore.

Q: What if I live in Canada? Should I order from the US or can I go to a Canadian bookstore?

A: Canadian book sales are only a fraction of American book sales, so if you want to help Clay’s sales, it would be more helpful if you buy the book from an American store if you can, even if it’s online through Amazon.com, Borders.com or bn.com.

Q: What if I buy an audio book or a download instead of the hardcover? Will that count towards his hardcover sales?

A: No, the only sales that will count toward his hardcover numbers are hardcover sales--audio books and e-book downloads are all counted separately.

Q: Is it okay to buy it used on Amazon?

A: No, not if you want Clay to see any royalties. Authors don’t get paid for any used book sales. Used book sales also do not count towards Bestseller lists.

Q: So does it matter if I buy online or I buy at a bricks-and-mortar store?

A: As long as they report to the New York Times, it doesn’t matter as much because all the sales will be accounted for. However, keep in mind that it is important that the book sell well at brick-and-mortar stores or they will be returned to the publisher. Fans should not make all of their purchases online.

Another time it matters is if Clay does book signings at bookstores. Then it will be very important that people buy his books at the actual signing, because the store will have ordered more copies of the book anticipating big sales from the signing. If he doesn’t sell many books at his signing, then it won’t generate the buzz necessary to be noticed in the industry and by the general media (for instance, Bill Clinton’s signings generated huge publicity because so many people turned out for them). The important thing to note about book signings is that the bookstore will usually not allow people to bring in anything from outside the store to be signed (i.e. no cds, magazines, etc.). Sometimes they will, but you won’t know until you get to the bookstore and an announcement is made at the signing. Even copies of Clay’s book not bought at the actual bookstore may not be allowed. So if you plan on attending one of Clay’s signings (that’s assuming that Clay does them of course), be prepared to buy your book at that store, even if you have already purchased one.

Q: Book signings--I love book signings! When we will start hearing about them? And how much promotion will Clay do vs. how much promotion other authors do?

A: Book signings will probably be arranged depending on Clay’s existing schedule. It’s arranged by the publisher usually in places where they expect a large turnout and can get decent media attention, so I’m guessing that New York City and Los Angeles will be the definites. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Raleigh is in the mix as well. Most celebrities only do a few select signings rather than a book tour, so I’m not expecting Clay to do more than six signings (I’m actually expecting more like 3 to 4 signings)--unless, they combine the possible Christmas CD tour with a book tour (see below). It’s also possible he may sign at more than 1 store in New York and LA, since they are such big markets. Signings don’t generally last for more than an hour--two at the most. If there’s a huge crowd, don’t expect more than a "Hey, how are ya?" as he signs your book--there will be security and publishing people there to make sure he doesn’t spend too long on one person if there are 50 others waiting in line for their turn.

The important thing to note about book signings is that the bookstore will usually not allow people to bring in anything from outside the store to be signed (i.e. no cds, magazines, etc.). Sometimes they will, but you won’t know until you get to the bookstore and an announcement is made at the signing. Even copies of Clay’s book not bought at the actual bookstore may not be allowed. So if you plan on attending one of Clay’s signings (that’s assuming that Clay does them of course), be prepared to buy your book at that store, even if you have already purchased one.

The publicity for book signings is usually up to the individual store, with the publisher helping out. Also expect the info to be listed on Clay’s official website. Expect local print media to mention any local signings, especially if Clay does an interview with them as well.

Clay will most likely appear on morning shows and talk shows to talk about the book, and the Christmas album as well (I definitely expect him on at least "Good Morning, America", and he did indicate that was likely in a recent interview). Most celebrities do get a fair amount of media attention, and I expect Clay to at least equal what other celebrities do, if not more.

If he signs at places that sell both the book and CD, then I’m hoping he can sign both as well. And something else to keep in mind--since there seems to be a Christmas tour in the works to support the Christmas CD, there’s also a chance that there will be signings set up in the cities on the tour.

Q: What if I don’t buy Clay’s book in the first month? Is it too late to make a difference?

A: If Clay’s book isn’t considered successful, and generally the first month of sales will determine whether the book is deemed successful or not, then bookstores will start to return the books back to the publisher. Heavy returns of any book equal publishing disappointment. If it is a disappointment because of slow sales, then the books will be remaindered in place--meaning, the book will be sold at a drastic discount directly by the publisher. This is different from remaindering through a third party, which happens with almost every book at the end of their hardcover life. The shelf life for a hardcover is usually six to nine months, because the paperback reprint is usually published a year after the hardcover is published. So if there’s still some hardcover inventory nine months after publication, the publisher will sell off the inventory to a company that specializes in buying and selling remaindered books. So even if you can’t buy it in the first month, don’t wait too long to buy it because the book won’t be on the shelf indefinitely. And the more slowly it sells, the quicker stores will be to return it back to the publisher.

Q: So if the book is returned, how does that affect Clay?

A: Clay received money to write the book, but it was an advance against royalties, meaning that once his advance earns out, he will get royalty checks twice a year. So if his book ships 200,000 copies, he’s expected to sell at least half of that amount. But this is where it gets tricky, because publishers do their accounting based on sales to their accounts (i.e. bookstores and other stores) and not on actual cash register sales. So when a bookstore orders a certain quantity of books, the publisher bills the store for that entire quantity. Books are considered sold unless they are returned back to the publisher. So even if a bookstore doesn’t actually sell every single copy of Clay’s book in their store, as long as it doesn’t get returned, it’s considered sold by the publisher. But the store will only keep copies of the book if they think they will sell it--if rate of sales is slow then that can indicate that they have too much stock. Stores reduce stock by returning books to the publisher. Every publisher hates returns, which is why when books start coming back too quickly and sales are slow, they may be forced to remainder in place as a sales incentive. So someone may be able to buy the book at a very low cost, but it’s a loss for the publisher and bad for the author.

So then Clay’s royalty check is based on books not returned--or books "sold" to the bookstore, rather than books "sold" to the consumer. So both kinds of sales are very important--cash register sales because that’s what creates buzz and excitement in the marketplace (besides it being what people actually buy), and sales to stores because that’s what his royalties will be based on.



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Eds. note: To clarify, for those who only plan to buy a single copy of the book, please try to buy it during the first two weeks from a bookstore that reports to the New York Times. The publishing industry will be watching the major bestseller lists, especially for the first few weeks, as a barometer for how the book is doing.

If you know you will buy multiple copies, then you can plan your purchases strategically: during the first two weeks especially, make your purchases from a store that will report to the NY Times. Then, if you're going to be buying extra copies for gifts for friends and family, you may buy them from Christian bookstores or Costco (discounts!) or any other store, but try to purchase at least some of them from stores who report to Bookscan.

Stores known to report to New York Times List:

Barnes & Noble
Borders
Waldens
Books-a-Million
Walmart
Amazon.com
Sam’s Club
Hastings
W.H. Smith
Stores NOT known to report to New York Times List:

Most Christian bookstores
BJ’s Club
Costco
Stores that do NOT report to Bookscan:

Walmart
Sam’s
BJ’s
Virgin Megastore


Thanks to ClaynationNews for procuring this interview!
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2004, 12:55:37 PM »

I found this on Amazon today...does anybody know what it is or if it really came out in September????

The Underdog's Guide to Life
by Clay Aiken

Publisher: learn how customers can search inside this book.
Availability: This item is currently not available. If you would like to purchase this item, we recommend that you occasionally check this page to see if it has become available.

Edition: Hardcover
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Hardcover
Publisher: Warner Books (September, 2004)
ISBN: 0446577243
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Anybody know anything about this????  Sue g.
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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2004, 10:07:40 PM »

I am so ready for this book!! I so cant wait to read it! And hear Clay read it to me!!

Grammaof6 thanks for posting the pic its cool!! Now we know a bit on how big it is!! Thanks!!
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2004, 11:31:41 PM »

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I found this on Amazon today...does anybody know what it is or if it really came out in September????

The Underdog's Guide to Life
by Clay Aiken


This may have been the original placeholder for Learning to Sing. Perhaps the name got changed?

Also, I believe the audio excerpts that have been posted are from the abridged version of the book. I don't know who reads the unabridged version, but I guess we'll find out soon enough!
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